Thursday, August 30, 2012

145> How fast is fast?


Let’s talk about speed. How fast should PRT ideally go and why? I suppose the first question that comes to mind is how far the routes extend. I have a bit of a problem with the slower, downtown-only type systems. First, of all, many people have to travel a long way, often in heavy traffic, just to get there. Then, unless the streets are just too narrow (and this is admittedly sometimes the case) traditional public transportation can often suffice. For example buses or light rail, even with the added wait time for passengers to get on and off at each stop, actually work fairly well for short hops. It is when you have to endure that stop-and- go for mile after mile that such transit starts to get increasingly impractical. Second, it seems to me that slower systems lack optimism. If PRT is so good, won’t it end up extending far and wide? And if that is the case, isn’t designing a slower system not just putting the brakes on speed, but putting the brakes on the extent of the system as well? I know, ideally people should live downtown and this should be encouraged. After all, giving people a means to commute actually encourages environmentally destructive suburban sprawl. But we are not talking about running PRT to lots of outlying neighborhoods. The shape of the urban center has changed. It is no longer a circle or square but rather shaped more like an octopus, with many essential goods and services being located along the arteries that extend outward. PRT, it seems to me, should go where the action is.   

When you talk about these longer trips, such as commuting, speed becomes much more important. Nobody is going to leave their car behind to take a 25mph vehicle for six miles that probably won’t take them exactly to their destination - unless, of course, the traffic is absolutely horrible. PRT has a “last mile” problem on both ends, and speed along the way can make up for that. Running parallel to highways, the vehicles are moving billboards for the system, since they will either be speeding past the cars or the cars will be speeding past them. I think it is vitally important that the former, and not the latter, be the case.   

For PRT, commuting and downtown circulation would seem to have a symbiotic relationship. Each makes the other much more viable by adding passengers that would otherwise use other means.  Often travel within cities is marred by certain chokepoints that make an otherwise speedy journey by car (or bus) into an exercise in frustration. PRT must serve more than that chokepoint area itself. It must extend to areas on either side that are easily accessible. This, by definition then, means that PRT should service areas with low traffic, as convenient entry points into the system. I think this is a point that is missed by PRT designers who assume a business model with only large, high volume stations. (If there are so many pedestrians, how did they get there?) By extension the logic of distributed, easily accessible entry points leads to those easy-to-build-on corridors that divided highways often offer. At this point the cost-effectiveness of a minimal-profile rail-type system almost begs to go farther out, since the capacity vs. cost is far superior to extra freeway lanes, and “Park&Ride” lots are already in place in most cities.

The aerodynamic drag on a given vehicle roughly cubes as the speed doubles, and so there is a natural limit on the top speed that PRT vehicles ought to go, after which they are wasting energy toting around oversized, expensive motors that may seldom be used. Actually the whole concept of individual travel becomes less and less advantageous compared to large groups as you approach these speeds, since many little vehicles catch much more air than a single, larger vehicle.  So this begs the question of what, exactly, that speed limit should be. I believe that the answer should be guided as much by psychology as by physics.

People know when they are being whisked off to their destination, and they know when they are in a sluggish vehicle. Ever get driven somewhere by a senior citizen or try hitting the highway in a weak sub-compact car?  The power needed for decent acceleration, particularly up hills, will require motors that are capable of freeway speeds, and probably a bit faster. Here I would remind the reader that a hanging system enables ground level boarding, and minimal ramps are cheaper and easier to fit into the urban landscape;  This, in turn, means that it is highly advantageous to both lift and accelerate the vehicle to merging speed in a short time…something that will require substantial power. This would indicate that there is little value in making the vehicles only capable of sub-highway speeds, just on the basis of motor size.

Way back in post 56 I outlined a method of going very fast, using “engines” that would link together PRT pods into an aerodynamic “train.” Such a method seems well suited to the “diamond track” concept that was outlined in post 141. Those large, splayed outer wheels could be on the engine/connectors, and this could free the ordinary, lower-speed guide wheels from costly wear, while enabling speeds much faster than any highway. This method of connecting vehicles addresses the both motor size and aerodynamic drag issues.

One issue that often comes up is the matter of travel between whole different cities. That is one that raises questions about tracking vehicles over long distances and imbalances in inventory between cities, as well as issues like rest stops, or the simple matter that longer journeys would be uncomfortable in the small vehicles that are best suited for economical city use. I suppose one thing that ought to be considered early on is the possibility of GRT (Group Rapid Transit) vehicles that are compatible with the track size. This is also consistent with both the need for less air drag per passenger and the lure of heavier freight loads than would be acceptable in town. In such a scenario the smaller “pods” would be able to travel the heavier GRT/freight track but not vice versa. One drawback would seem to be the possibility of speed-limited PRT getting in the way of faster long haul vehicles. But computers are amazing things, and with a couple of passing lanes and properly orchestrated timing, I would imagine that the two could coexist in a pinch. Going very fast, say 100 mph and above requires a track with enough inner area to allow air to get out of the way of the speeding bogie. This seems consistent, however, with a larger, stronger track, since the minimal-profile track used in the city is only for aesthetics. There is structural value in increasing the dimensions, even with the same amount of steel. I do not think changing vehicles on either end of a long journey represents much inconvenience. After all, the PRT vehicles should be waiting for your arrival, and even departures should involve minimum waiting with a relatively small number of passengers. (Or just pay extra for the whole darn thing… a sleeper car!) Anyway, that is a subject that is removed from the matter at hand, other than that a heavier, even faster track could (and probably should) be considered for track that parallels major highways.   

So, to sum things up, there are factors, some purely psychological, that push the optimal speed limit up to a range that is roughly comparable to what we experience in our cars. There are other factors, namely aerodynamic drag, that limit the speed to not much beyond that range. After that, vehicles should probably be coupled or GRT could be used, increasing efficiency dramatically. This probably would call for a modified track design. This is, however, generally consistent with what would be optimal for fast PRT routes anyway. 

Every endeavor has to start somewhere, and PRT surely has to start with very modest routing and so performance is not really an issue. That does not mean, though, that PRT should best be designed with those limitations baked in. The trick, however, is to take this speed requirement and integrate it into a design that does not sacrifice full 3D maneuverability or minimal track size. Otherwise the design would be quite simple!

7 comments:

Andrew F said...

Nice post, Dan.

You mention the concern about PRT leading to sprawl. I suppose that might be a possibility depending on how land use is regulated (it could certainly enable much less unpleasant commutes from far flung suburbs). On the other hand, many cities are growing rapidly. Their area will expand regardless. The shape that new development takes could be radically changed with the benefit of non-car transportation. If new developments were built around PRT (easy walks to stations, less parking, narrower streets, more pedestrian friendly in general) rather than the car, higher densities can be achieved without undue sacrifices in quality of life and without traffic snarls.

There is a development in Toronto of some disused land bordering a highway called Langstaff Gateway. The area has good transit connections, but last mile is a concern. The developer wanted higher density, but the city was hesitant to allow it given the additional cars that would be put on the roads if transit's share was only 10% or so. They proposed using a PRT system as a local circulator to help get residents to and from transit stations and make transit more attractive than driving.

Juho Laatu said...

Yes, there may be conflicts between high speed vs. cheap and slim (non-intrusive) tracks. A good design would however cover a wide scope of different needs (slow, fast, cheap private, heavy use).

Also vehicle changes may often be ok, but I want to support continuous movement too. That is good for cargo, sleeping passangers, and kids, grannies, dogs and shoppings that shoud travel directly from mom to dad.

If there are two incompatible track designs, one could consider e.g. piggyback bogies that run on the fast track but that can carry a lightweight bogie. The lightweight bogie could simply drive into a fast bogie that would then travel on the fast track. Also "drive-in trains" (maybe with reastaurant cars etc.) that carry lightweight vehicles can be used in a similar fashion. In these scenarios the end user need not even care if the lightweight vehicle uses also fast track for some parts of the journey. A third approach would be to switch the gondola automatically from one bogie to another (maybe at the border line between two incompaible tracks of two different countries).

I agree that in practice PRT systems (especially the early ones) may have a last mile problem. In principle PRT is however better that cars from the last mile point of view. With PRT I could traven directly from my living room to the shopping mall (instead of from my yard to the parking lot of the shopping mall).

cmf-seattle said...

I agree that switching vehicles wouldn't be a problem. I think some people would like a small, private branch track to their home; it'd be up to them whether they'd use their leased commuter vehicle, or switch to a more comfortable one for longer trips.

It'd be nice if a store that received shipments on a larger track could deliver items to me in a smaller vehicle(s).

Anonymous said...

I think switching vehicles is a problem and is the main reason why public transport has so far failed. Eventually, PRT should enable point to point travel, not station to station. Regarding speed, the faster is better. It would be great to have a choice: less pay for slower (intra-city), more pay for quicker (inter-city), but they should use the same infrastructure. I would keep the infrastucture lightweigth, max 4 persons (one pallet for industrial use) per pod, to keep infrastructure cost low. This should not be a problem, as the average car size proves.

Dan said...

Dan the Blogger responds…

Thanks to you all for your thoughtful comments. I have been living “off the grid” for much of the summer, and I am preparing for a final month at my cabin, where all kinds of building and design projects await. I apologize for being MIA so much, but who knows? Maybe my land will be the site of a test track some day! After all, the biggest business in the nearest town just happens to be a steel yard, and, frankly, a test track would be a great, non-destructive way to harvest logs from the bottom land! Why there’s even an additional 27 acres for sale right next door! Ah yes… “The Institute for Advanced PRT Studies”… Anyone need a tax write-off?

I am working on a new design that looks promising in terms of the track/wheel size/speed conflict. But for VERY fast speeds, it seems to me, clamping the track with large wheels from the outside is an option that will be there in any case. I think that is really the essence of the diamond track design. Lengths of track where there are no switches could be fitted for this, regardless of the regular switching protocol and the track’s interior layout. The big wheels could unclamp well before exiting an “express lane,” thus allowing the return to an either/or (not both) switching paradigm. Particular vehicles could be fitted for this or not, and given systems could evolve towards these speeds without requiring all track to be designed for it from the start. Both track and bogies could be retrofitted as needed. That only leaves designing a switchable system that fits the desired speed requirements that I outlined in the post. I think my new system will allow such speeds and even a bit more.

I agree that adding a new and different transportation system, even if it is capable of long ranges and high speeds, is likely to consolidate, not spread, land use patterns, although the urbanization of land directly adjacent to highways would tend to increase.

Dan said...

Dan the Blogger responds…

Thanks to you all for your thoughtful comments. I have been living “off the grid” for much of the summer, and I am preparing for a final month at my cabin, where all kinds of building and design projects await. I apologize for being MIA so much, but who knows? Maybe my land will be the site of a test track some day! After all, the biggest business in the nearest town just happens to be a steel yard, and, frankly, a test track would be a great, non-destructive way to harvest logs from the bottom land! Why there’s even an additional 27 acres for sale right next door! Ah yes… “The Institute for Advanced PRT Studies”… Anyone need a tax write-off?

I am working on a new design that looks promising in terms of the track/wheel size/speed conflict. But for VERY fast speeds, it seems to me, clamping the track with large wheels from the outside is an option that will be there in any case. I think that is really the essence of the diamond track design. Lengths of track where there are no switches could be fitted for this, regardless of the regular switching protocol and the track’s interior layout. The big wheels could unclamp well before exiting an “express lane,” thus allowing the return to an either/or (not both) switching paradigm. Particular vehicles could be fitted for this or not, and given systems could evolve towards these speeds without requiring all track to be designed for it from the start. Both track and bogies could be retrofitted as needed. That only leaves designing a switchable system that fits the desired speed requirements that I outlined in the post. I think my new system will allow such speeds and even a bit more.

I agree that adding a new and different transportation system, even if it is capable of long ranges and high speeds, is likely to consolidate, not spread, land use patterns, although the urbanization of land directly adjacent to highways would tend to increase.

an-148 said...

hello Dan,
this is my first post on your blog: I'm reading all of it (backwards :-) )with very much interest;
@ juho: your description of the drive-in-train is very interresting for locations like the tunnel under the English Channel: drive-in at a connecting intallation (stay in your pod because the ride is only 30': no need for toilets, a.s.o.)and drive out on the same installation on ythe other side of the tunnel (a bit like the old ferry-boats where the rails of "normal" trains connect.